Why are you working so hard to defend her? Then I watched a YouTube video from the Vulcan First Officer Chris Shelton where he was using Critical thinking to mock that absurd idea of an Anti-Scientology Cult. But the information presented regarding Tyler Tweed is true, and we found a few threads on Twitter honoring much information about Tyler Tweeds obituary. I dont know where this idea that Scnists dont believe in doctors came from (Leah? Nice try, Thetaclear. Well, TC, a compelling posting, indeed. Public relations is not the answer to the Church of Scientologys problems. Unfortunately, now, we gained no further information from Tyler Tweeds death. This is TV were talking about. To each their own on their belief system, but many things about this church dont sit well with me. And Im not even past 55 yet! Now, the anti-Scientology movement will try to get us to believe that most Scientologists doesnt believe in medical doctors, and that they never seek proper medical treatment. The tax exemption could be either revoked or revised, and a fair payment plan could be allowed for any past payments required as a result of such a revocation or revision. But I dont see him getting into a plane and going to Texas to help. I do feel, from being a member for 30 years, that my compassion and humanity was eroded. Will they reform? Why do you think that Cathy Tweed would not second guess herself every single day? I couldnt have said it any better, Statpush! I can see the public interest perspective with this series and and other productions that seek to find a story and tell it,, it has been created with key words cult secret confidential gulag ,, and so on not to mention the mood music and lighting,,, Its what media does,, its never enough just to have a story confined to the specifics and analyse it,,,no one buys that approach anymore. New this week 0. How about the fact that she never refers to Tayler as her daughter!! Still, I had multiple prescriptions and two surgeries when I was in CofS. But thats obviously not good enough for you. Mental health should be under the heading of psychotherapy not under the heading of religion. What drives ratings? And so it is a waste of time to harp on that if you really want to make scientology less dangerous. I am sure there are two sides to every story, and while I am not sure how supportive the Tweeds actually were, I am fully sure that A&E provided a very balanced side of the tragedy, given the most outraged friend didnt have the solid history of seeing Tayler in person. Towards the end of my involvement with the church, they got positively mean and nasty. Painting her as a drug addicted person who would not do the work is revolting. Yeah, THANK YOU, Laura. Do you think the church really cares what treatment a Type III receives? If Leah and Mike would have emphasized specific instances of Disconnection and Fair Game practices, where only factual data capable of being PROVED was shown preferably with documents, videos, etc that might have acted as enough Media pressure for the church to decide to reform a few things, even if they would do it backstage, you know, without publicly admitting to anything. You know, thats EXACTLY the problem with the AGREED UPON anti-Scientology narrative, Claire, that you take as facts statements that are NOT necessarily facts, and that ACTUALLY, are assumptions not backed up by ANY evidence whatsoever, but which are mostly based on HEARSAY evidence (someone told me that he heard.. kind of thing). Scn, as an activity, is very much self-centered; and VERY focused on the able (e.g. Then you have the HCO BULLETIN OF 28 JUNE 1969RA REVISED 26 JULY 1978 RE-REVISED 21 SEPTEMBER 1978, HOW TO CASE SUPERVISE DIANETICS FOLDERS which says : Very sick pcs are sent directly to a medico of course.. Please, be so kind to exactly quote or present the exact time tap(s) in that 2nd episode of The Aftermath where ANY ACTUAL evidence was presented as to Taylers mother Cathy Tweed having thrown out her daughter or disconnected from her. Mere assumptions, suppositions, and half-truths are presented as facts. Our rate of success? Larry Hale. She was 27. I can see the public interest perspective with this series and and other productions that seek to find a story and tell it,, it has been created with key words cult secret confidential gulag ,, and so on not to mention the mood music and lighting,,, Its what media does,, its never enough just to have a story confined to the specifics and analyse it,,,no one buys that approach anymore.. Of course, know and not know are the same words that are on the Know to Mystery Scale with Know at the top, and in order to get there you have to go through Not-Know. It is unnatural. Taylors folks disconnected from her and threw her out.. Words fall short of expressing our grief for your loss, as we mourn with family and friends for this great loss. Lauren detailed her friendship with fellow second-generation Scientologist Tayler Tweed, whom she met as a teen fresh out of the Sea Org. We trust that you will find the information listed on this website to be of value to you. Can be really call that a Desire at reformation? Yeah, we all know the answer to that question I think. Why is that? But okay. This was about her daughter and how she ( Kathy ) and Scientology failed Taylor! I think the important baseline to keep in mind is the law. Now, the anti-Scientology narrative and the anti-Scientologists would attempt us to believe that LRH was only a lunatic who thought that psychiatry was guilty of many Human Rights abuses, and of many abusive treatments; and that ONLY Scientology opposes psychiatry. I could not do anything like that. Sorry, Al. Only a fucking Scientologist who believes they've had millions of daughters and families throughout the last 75 trillion years would be just fucking fine with losing "one lost soul" amongst the many you've had. What she went through is horrific. Tony? I am Jim Dandy and Im here to the rescue. Mr. Tweed was born in Greeneville, TN and son of James W. "Buddy" & Nora O. He was born February 13, 1998, in Madison, to Steven and Jo Ann Tweed. Age 92. That is pathetic. There have been manslaughter convictions of Christian Scientists and others who kept their own children from the medical care they needed and ended up in prison. It is the narrative of blame, destroy, and stereotyping others, and the attempt to make believe that some specific instances represent the attitudes of ALL Scientologists, that makes it wrong. Date of Death or Service May 31, 2023 Theresa Anna Helberg . But now my concern is with my daughter and her mom. I MYSELF had been doing just that until recently, though I didnt do it that much. To plant Memorial Trees in memory of Mrs. Pamela Devone Taylor Edwards, please click here to visit our Sympathy Store . I cant fault you on your logic., Clearly Leah and Mike have some type of agenda, and as you point out, it is not reformation., Thinking about this a bit more, the only set policy regarding suicide that Im aware of, is the routing-in metered interviews to the HGC (and possibly on sec checks), designed to filter-out undesirables. Are we that naive so as to negate that her Fight against the abuses HAS been very helpful for her career? Pseudoscientists in Scientology? . I just couldnt resist it, . Caring for the insane is costly and time-consuming and requires resources. I am so grateful for my amazing parents and brother, whose love is unconditional, and support unwavering no matter how bad or misguided my youth was. The Horror! Then, sooner or later, they might actually listen. Thats okay they are both academy award winning bald guys! "Tayler Tweed's suicide and Aaron Poulin's: Both happened in So. VERY compassionate) and me, took them as part of our self-proclaimed Chaplain hat, haha. Obituaries can vary in the amount of information they contain, but many of them are genealogical goldmines, including information such as: names, dates, place of birth and death, marriage information, and family relationships. We just said, Sign here please, so you dont suit our asses, and then go ahead and do on them : A VERY high ARC kind of VERY compassionate treatment. The guy is NUTS, I thought. And the lack of compassion of publicly exposing the members of the church to big loses that they had gone through, just so that Mike and Leah can support their own specific agendas. Now that Ive checked, my memory was incorrect. Apparently it was a policy set by Hubbard that one needed to find out about any health issues and then get it or them taken care of before starting this course. Im truly amazed at how much the descriptions of their students barriers to awakening sound like a description of the reactive mind! Caring for the insane is costly and time-consuming and requires resources. Forum software by XenForo 2010-2013 XenForo Ltd. Rights to practice your religious beliefs are legally protected in the US even though they might go against some peoples moral codes, or even the moral (not.legal) codes of of the larger culture around them. Ex Ireland rugby player David Tweed dies aged 61 | Daily Mail Online Davy Tweed, 61, played international rugby five times for Ireland in the 1990s The unionist politician was convicted of. But we assure you that we will provide the factual details when we are informed. Naturopaths? But we auditors know better than to hate and punish. Find an obituary, get service details, leave condolence messages or send flowers or gifts in memory of a loved one. And they are all good friends, as far as I know. She states that she did take her daughter to doctors, but what kind of doctors? But that doesnt alter the fact that she wasnt any longer on the public eye not that she necessarily needed any money. And what does the actual record indicate with respect to what auditing can do for it? Tayler, feeling herself worse off after her last auditing cycle and a recent break-up, refused more auditing. But their manipulation does not extend to this blog. The sudden death is a heart-wrenching event for all the friends and family. Regular medical care is allowed though Hubbard did and members do tend to look down on traditional medical care. Clearly people go through much worse situations and never commit suicide. Thanks Marildi; thats a VERY interesting viewpoint indeed! At one point in time, this lady dared to question one of her husbands beliefs, which enraged the man resulting in a heavy beating and even rape of this lady. Sure. The reason for this is because I am about to . And its the most insidious problem with what Leah and Mike are doing. Christopher Dewayne Redd. Unfortunately we have little . Now, a Scnist may not hold a medical doctor in the same regard as a non-Scnist, but that does not mean they do not utilize their services. They told this story. Not that unmuzzled stupid handling from the Instrospection Rundown. After an intensive program delivered by a field group last summer, Tayler was once again suicidal. When most anti-Scientologists refer to The church is doing this or that, and so on, or The church is Fair Gaming this or that one, they fail to recognize that they are ACTUALLY referring to ONE single individual whose orders are being robotically followed. The youngest son of Ethel Mummert and Harve Mummert, Tweed lived all of his life in the Macomb area. Dedicated to a wonderful person who left too soon. One of the spiritual teachings, which might seem contrary to Rons idea, is to not be too certain at least not in a fixed way. You see, I feel that we must be very careful with mixing the religious aspect of Scientology with its psychotherapeutic aspect. He was announced dead on Thursday 15th December on Facebook. OBITUARY William L Tweed May 23, 1919- November 25, 2012 IN THE CARE OF Skyline Memorial Gardens and Funeral Home William Leslie Tweed 23 May 1919, Portland Oregon - 25 Nov 2012 Portland Oregon Son of Otto Tweed and Esther Nathalia (Carlson) Tweed In 1962 he became a pattern maker when he went to work at Dependable Pattern Works. The video from Cathy Tweed reeks of damage control. Carl Smith, Jr. Georgie Ann Glaser. Then that journalist posts that quote from you on the Internet, and a whole bunch of party-bus sociopaths start going off on that quote and ripping you to shreds for saying it. And as to people like my dad, well, Scientology starts as basic self help courses with a strong pop psychology aspect to them. John Mckenna Obituary, What was John Mckenna Cause of Death? Was your love unconditional. Glasscock's classic 1935 book . Mrs. Tweed was a longtime member of Chestnut Grove Community Church and worked in the health and food industry for several years. Yes Ms Tweed-we need kindness, love and respectwell said. How can he possibly know what is on their minds? They, incorrectly, do not give it the attention it deserves. My local AO wouldnt deliver this, instead either hat a family member, or turn it over to a field auditor. Dont get me wrong, She is a GREAT artist, and she seems to be a GREAT lady. Tyler Tweeds family and friends are in deep grief, and lets pray for them to receive peace. If they were, their approach in the show would be different, and they would be more careful with the facts and about not making generalizations out of a few instances and stereotyping the Scientologists in general. On Saturday, a memorial was held for her at Scientology's Hollywood Celebrity Centre as family and friends gathered to remember the attractive young woman who had been working on a career in music and acting (as Tayler DeBari). That point aside, what you say in the following about the church is really the basic and most important issue at stake: If auditors were licensed, then they could not forbid people from getting the medical treatment they need without losing their license.. I dont necessarily doubt that a person can benefit from medical treatment for brain illnesses. One keeps building on the wisdom because ones data in the world of duality keeps increasing, while at the same time ones ability to connect with the divine (non-duality) also increases. Why are you not calling out Scientologys ways of handling these situations? So lets just stick to the kindness, love, and respect, shall we? For Type III, I would expect the person to get a Qual program, which may include The Introspection Rundown. Doh! Of course he knows. And her brother can shut his mouth. In the other teaching (Rons too, I would say), Know is where intuition and wisdom lie. Dec. 4, 2022. She admitted that she had made multiple suicide attempts in previous years. How do you know that for a fact, Alanzo, if you dont mind telling me? But my first impulse and action, is to try to reform and rehabilitate the individual. She states that she did take her daughter to doctors, but what kind of doctors? I do think Mike Rinder shouldve spoken up and recommended, Hey lets find another story where it is more apparent that the tech was a major factor in a suicide. My step-Mom asked me last week if it was true that Scientology doesnt allow its members to use medical doctors. I realize there are many sides to documentaries, but if all the stuff Leah and Mike say are false, why isnt the church proving them wrong? Tayler Woolston Obituary, Death - The North Tonawanda community said a student who had a very special place in their hearts passed away this past week. I wish she had taken counsel and gone to see a mental health care provider, but without health insurance or financial backing, she felt it was impossible. Eventually even insurance companies were covering chiropractic care. I can sympathize with trying to use ones frame of reference to help their kid. Of course you proved your point. vitamins, minerals, chiropractors, etc) to address a medical condition, along with some type of auditing program or PTS handling. And its the most insidious problem with what Leah and Mike are doing.. I suspect Mike and Leahs tactics are based on the supposition that public exposure to harmful practices results in reformation. And we all know that the opinion of the majority is the correct one, isnt it? Can they reform? That pisses me off the most! And what drives TV? Many people who arent involved in Scientology believe in that. Yes, this mother lost a child, but her son says they tried everything and yet they didnt. Unless your experience results in greater tolerance and compassion and wisdom for suicide survivors what good is it? That, btw, is the key principle I believe Marty is standing up for. I knew the Tweed family. Scnists readily adopt these views as their own, which may result in a delay in proper medical treatment. I have never, not once, seen a parent state they were blameless. I agree with most of your points that you have discussed with Alanzo, except for the above one. None of which appeared in scientology and the aftermath or in Tony Ortega s earlier reporting. He, along with Marcus Daly and Frederick Heinze, was one of the three "copper kings" so eloquently portrayed in C.B. Who Where Receive obituaries Mary Marguerite Taylor February 15, 2023 (95 years old) View obituary Glenn Franks February 16, 2023 (88 years old) View obituary 1 2022 , , : / - , Copyright 2015 2024 rojgarlive.com All Rights Reserved. I dont want to put you on the spot, but you are really putting Cathy Tweed on the spot very harshly here. Or something actually never explained. What Mike Rinder and Leah Remini fail to clarify in their Anti-Scientology narrative, is that LIKE MOST PEOPLE INVOLVED IN VEGETARIANISM AND NATURAL HEALTH Scientologists prefer to use natural remedies and alternative medicine (which is practiced by a PROFESSIONAL LICENSED REAL DOCTOR as they like to call them, haha) before engaging in taking medicines and using conventional methods. Thats why I left staff even though I continued being a Scientologist. Tony Ortega got that quote from Cathy Tweed the day after her daughters funeral. I get that you dont have much confidence in the tech (leave aside the church) but I do. So, they have this idea, that if they publically expose the churchs harmful practice, and rub their nose in it, that the church will reform and cease such actions.. Perhaps Mike Rinders memory got blank because he went pass a misunderstood word, and now he has forgotten about the policies, haha. Now, it should be clear enough what LRH thought about taking care of an Ill body by BOTH using the proper medical treatment and Assists which could be thought as the religious aspect of it AS EXPECTED from any religion. This way, more trust can be built among Scientology practitioners and society which is what Scientologists must focus on, IMHO. An assist is not a substitute for medical treatment but is complementary to it. I dont have to agree with Leah on everything to respect her. Most of the time internet deceives the audience by passing news about a healthy person as if they are dead. The Horror! 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