So vkb is not the first/only. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. You'll see I haven't even mapped the 2nd choice analog features of the top MCG hat on the right hand, ran out of needalso have some repeats left and right in case I get confused in heat of moment. It was a bit of a process to pull apart my two kosmosima grips to fish out the good peg and slap it into my right hand stick, but I'm starting to get a little miffed with the durability of some of these small components. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Maybe you should try moving some to other ports on your computer if you haven't tried that yet. I've had 2 springs snap, which has pretty much taken my left stick out of commission (I've heard the NXTs actually ship with replacements -- mine didn't). Your right, MFG's have been on the market longer than the Virpil Ace's, but I couldn't identify a lot of difference, except maybe some of the adjustments you can make on the MFG's that you can't make on the Virpil pedals. Money isn't really an issue for me. Elite also won't recognize any button inputs that are greater than #32. I would think it should be enough. Can't speak for Virpil as I've got VKB, so disclosure, obviously this is possibly biased opinion. ED doesn't 'see' any controllers using the bindings files, check whether you can actuallly bind any of the controls to an action and then create your own bindings file. Even basic assembly drove me out to YouTube where I spent hours freeze-framing foreign language unboxing videos to find out which screw goes where. I haven't checked Virpil in a while but didn't think anything had more than the MCG Pro, with the hat over on the index finger position as well as on the thumbrest. I do use pedals too but haven't even mapped twist on my right hand, so that's itself not a limitation if you didn't intend to use them. That made the experience in Star Citizen, which features a surprising amount of walking, much more enjoyable. Bring from the UK, shipping was not too bad with about a week to wait after dispatch. In all honesty, I am leaning toward the virpil stick, but what I want to know is are their hidden pros or cons to each stick that I should know about and is the additional ~$80US for Virpil (and the wait) worth it over the VKB? Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. I'd consider myself a fairly casual player that is fortunate enough to have enough expendable money for lavish purchases such as this. As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. This is significant. Something went wrong. While the input devices alone are excellent, Virpil also has a line of surprisingly affordable custom mounting solutions. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. A weekly roundup of the best things from Polygon, By submitting your email, you agree to our, Theres a new challenger in the world of flight sticks and throttles, Sign up for the Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. Valve Corporation. If you have the budget for it, I'd say wait a week to see some reviews for the MCG Ultimate. Don't use the Windows or any third party stuff. I will look for that in VPC config software. Did you a manage to get your bindings for Elite dangerous ? You can also remove about an inch of height from the pedals, stripping off the rubber feet and the entire lower frame, to attach them directly to a custom flight seat. Logitech, Thrustmaster, and many of the big name manufacturers are out of stock everywhere you look. When you run the Virpil Joystick tester, do all the analog axes and button inputs show up? Anyone use Vjoy or similar to get past ED's 32 button limit? I think that there's a good chance that the Gunfighter + mcg ultimate will take the spot as best consumer joystick on the market. Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. I just received my left handed Virpil Alpha and its one of the best gaming peripherals Ive ever had. First post here. When it comes to calibration and programming, you will similarly need to find your own way with the community of users on YouTube and on message boards as Virpil offers next to no help in getting things squared away. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. How easy was the software to learn? Ace pedals also have a much better mounting solution, in my opinion, compared to the TPR pedals. Still other manufacturers are taking pre-orders, and then banging out new units as quickly as they can. Was looking at getting a new one but decided I might as well upgrade to either the VKB Gunfighter or Virpril T50 and would love some advice and opinions on both setups. My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. For more information, please see our Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. How convert Warthog grip for VKB standard:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. The products are engineered solid and no-bullshit. All rights reserved, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. Both of my Virpil bases had slack in the X axis at centre out of the box. I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. Also the virpil stick might cost more as i have read that somepeople buying it in Australia have had to pay GST (tax) on it. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. I used this for my warthog. Just got the Virpil Constellation Alpha-R grip with the Warbrd base, as well as the 50 CM2 throttle and elite doesn't see any Virpil hardware. Virpil has its own configuration and testing. Nevertheless, late last year Virpil sent along a selection of its most popular flight gear. Whoa wait, you're saying on the ultimate you don't need to take apart the case to change from mini joystick to 4 way hat? It works perfectly with all buttons. I'd love to mount to desk but I don't have the space for a permanent setup and need to be able to move my controllers out of the way easily. > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. So whats a budding flight or space sim enthusiast to do? But now Im able to use the two sticks twist axes to handle strafing (right) and moving up and down (left). Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Elite will not show a profile that specifically names the Virpil hardware. The full analog mini on both (plus the option of the second which is switchable from digital hat to analog on the fly on the MCG Pro) offers additional axes besides the main X/Y. I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. Jmo The VKB Ultimate grip may be interesting due to the material and modularity of it. There really is plenty. Is anyone using Vjoy or a simiar program(s) to solve this problem? VKB keep iterating through new revisions of their products, sometimes breaking backwards compatibility. Initially it was all a bit daunting but after a fair bit of reading various threads this is where I'm at A bit about my requirements - Got to be desktop based. If I want to upgrade in the future I can just buy the Gunfighter base and use the kosmosima stick (If VKB follow through and actually let you buy bases separately). Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. Virpil has the better engineers. Yes I followrd their guide. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. TECS (Twin Engine Control System) is a completely new throttle control device made for today's and future jet warbirds. So just swap grips and flash firmware for the. I've had Virpil for a while and have even refined my setup over time trying different grips/bases/throttles. This applies to the connector between grip and base. Cookie Notice Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. 04.08.20|The sheet for the Throttle has been updated (a button was missing). > Reviews Plus half of what I would need from VKB is out of stock. And every one but a single dial is bound. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Yes I followrd their guide. I read a few posts about which is best but most people commenting have not used both to really compare. Price isn't the issue as much as quality for me. I do find VKB to do much nicer and cleaner internal work which matters if or when you have to open up your grip. VIRPIL hardware key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out, https://virpil.freshdesk.com/en/supes/47000029808-vpc-software-quick-start-guide, HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick - Thrustmaster - Technical support website, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/controls-not-sticking.558432/#post-8792964. I know that the performance will be better but if you have done a similar upgrade let me know your thoughts. I can say you really can go wrong either way you go. - VKB gunfighter base vs Virpils bases: VKB has a dry clutch. In term of quality, feel and performance? It would be wrong to say that TECS "worthily follows the line of VKB engineering tradition . There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. Thanks, Ill take your advise. You might want to look for something with versatility since a lot of REALLY nice sticks try to fit specific requirements, like DCS OR ELITE rather than DCS AND ELITE. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. Or I can get the Virpil one and have a 2 stick approach which will let me actually assess a proper preference. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer . , So, I am currently having a hard time choosing between the two flight sticks that seem to be most likely to fit my needs; those options being Virpil VPC Constellation on WarBRD base and VKB Gunfighter Mk3 'space combat edition.'. It took me 6 months before I could get my order in for the Alpha. Perhaps toe break tension as well. I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. I read somewhere that you need the virpil software to tell the OS that it's 2 different inputs. I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. Another highlight for me were Virpils Ace Interceptor Rudder Pedals. I play 98% Elite Dangerous and 2% DCS and MSFS. I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. Choosing a selection results in a full page refresh. I can't speak for Virpil's interiors but I've been inside the grip on my VKB and the way they use independent little boards with pin receptacles to link things together on the Kosmo Premium is amazing, and would be very easy to obtain parts for repair if only one control were to fail for any reason. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. In terms of bases I like my VKB base a bit more than my Vipril base. It features a. That's weird because normally a USB 3 controller can supposedly support up to 127 devices. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn34PHd34x4, Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8odaH98Yms. Initially I'm after a stick and will continue to use my X55 throttle, eventually I'll replace my throttle or possibly go 2 sticks. The non-marking pads on the mounting hardware, for instance, began to slide off after several weeks of continuous use. The only things I don't have as mapped out as I'd ideally like for VR are camera and perhaps fighter pilot commands. Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. Out of the box, Virpils large, grippy rubber feet stay put on most surfaces. VKB offers an adapter that has to replace the stock connector/pinout in the grip. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. After plenty of research my decision has come down to either Virpil - VPC WarBRD base with Constellation Alpha stick, VKB - Gunfighter MK.III base with SCG (Kosmosima) stick, VKB - Gladiator NXT (for the benefit of any noobs like me, this is a base and includes the SCG Kosmosima stick). I use one from Wavlink and have 7 devices plugged into it with no problems, including a Virpil joystick, a VKB joystick and a Virpil throttle. I have a VKB stick/pedals and a Virpil throttle, and I feel that VKB hardware is higher quality overall (mostly due to the electronics/internals). I love both sets but have settled on an MCG Gunfighter with T-rudders and the Virpil throttle. It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. Been playing flight sims with a rig I purchased last year but ED was on my list of reasons why I spent money on a good input suite. A lot cheaper and for someone that isn't hardcore into tons of flying will be more than sufficient. Theres even a line of collective grips on the way, which will be perfect for the new helicopters coming to DCS World and Microsoft Flight Simulator in the not-to-distant future. Be careful about copying other peoples bindings, as most of them seem to have really weird ideas or they might do only exploring so never use pips and things like that. Both can be gotten with twist. I managed to get hold of a Virpil constellation alpha (R) and a CM2 throttle, it was an emotional 2 month process. You're not running all your USB devices through the one hub are you? Nice descriptions. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer operational or are too limited to map more than 32 buttons themselves. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. You would basically map your joysticks inputs past 32 to a virtual vjoy device then you are all set. I want to choose the best one for nice grip and feel, reaching buttons with s/med hands, good button placement, usability with Elite and SC, easy twisting for yaw and good centring with no drift. I will be using it for flight sims mainly dcs in modern jets f14, f18 and i will have it centre mounted in a simpit. Here's my mapping for Elite, perhaps a little out of date re: some of the macros I mentioned above, and admittedly I use my LH stick weird (sideways oriented as a throttle) so I've converted an axis to 'relative' mode with a button as reset, which removes it from use as a button in-game. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. But as far as quality of the gimbals, both are fantastic. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). Between the WarBRD and Gunfighter options it really seems to come down to personal preference and I'll never know without putting my hands on each. Overall, I'd recommend VKB for quality and performance. This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Dunno how it is usable in space sims. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy(~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. Most people get around this by using software such as Vjoy, Joystick Gremlin, or JoyToKey. I received it in just over 4 weeks too, just a day before Christmas! The impact was especially prominent in Star Citizen, which has much faster ships and far more aggressive combat. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. The biggest thing for me seems to be waiting time. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. I have the twist adapter for the original MCG and while the twist itself is great, the ergonomics of the MCG grip are not the best for twisting (as it was never really designed for that). Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. If youre going HOTAS, Id recommend getting something from Thrustmaster instead. Everything about it is perfect. Both companies use high quality metal gimbals and contactless sensors for axes. Hub 3.0 Powered 90W Data Hub, Multiport 16 Port Powered 12V/7.5A Adapter Still getting the 'need to remove some devices '. They are both superb bits of kit though and you will not regret buying either. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. Edit: Didn't realize that winwing sticks were metal. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a . Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. I have the same Virpil throttle. Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. Very close to the real thing (comparing it to C-130J and A400M controls). I'm in a similar boat to you. That's it. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. My favorite set of kit is called the Virpil Constellation Alpha, which, when coupled with a throttle, does an admirable job of controlling commercial aircraft. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Generally you will find that Virpil is considered the top dog in the mid-range sim gear bracket. They strike a good balance between price point and feature set, sitting comfortably in between classics like the Logitech X-52 and the Thrustmaster T16000, and higher end products from Thrustmaster and VKB. Have you tried each device individually with nothing else plugged in? The MCG Pro also has the brake axis and technically the flip-up trigger is ALSO an axis although more often used as a couple of different buttons. If you fly helos, you will fall in love with this. Youll find examples from both brands where people got shipped a dud product or had a bad experience with customer service, but on the whole theyre both producing excellent hardware and its gonna come down to personal preference for the most part. Press J to jump to the feed. I currently have a T.16kM HOTAS setup and am looking to upgrade the flightstick first and eventually move over to a HOSAS setup. The configuration software is very detailed but complicated. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. After a few hours of HOSAS practice, I suddenly found myself with much more precise and immediate control over my virtual spaceships than ever before. Its high-end equipment is currently in stock. Vs the VKB Gunfighter MK3 with the modern combat edition grip and 200mm s curve extension for 433.13 euro ($707.21 aud) (includes shipping). Hey everyone, i know this has been a few times but i cant find anything that the exact specs im looking at so im going to ask anyway. The Gunfighter is apparently available so even though I probably don't need it, common sense might desert me and I'll plump for the pricier option just because I cant wait. 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I dont care about cost or desk mounting height or which is the better company or customer service . Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. The VKB is slightly more refined whilst the Virpil is heavier duty. So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. I have a Virpil setup. It may show you something you did wrong. > Pictures It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. Those look awfully nice. All rights reserved. What do you mean by splitting axes? If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. Ive had a pretty good experience with the Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals for the last few years, but they hang from a large central column that takes up a lot of space in my office. Everything I've ever bought from VKB has been spot on out of the box. Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. Ok yes the firmware and software was installed. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. A good USB powered hub should help with this. 4 - what grip do people think is better the T-50 or the alpha? If you use the Virpil software there's an option somewhere to divide number of controls into groups of 32. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a additional electronic/mechanic adapter ($60), but their Gunfigther Mk.II* base wasoptimized for deal withWarthoggrip weight. 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. What little product is actually available even used equipment is going for wildly inflated prices. So far Im extremely impressed. It will simply store your configuation under "custom". You are using an out of date browser. Thank you guys for the help. I've spent the last couple of days researching all this so here is my thought process which may also help with your decision. 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. The scissors gimbal is not very pleasant around center. Warthog grip and you are good to go. 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. VKB vs Thrustmaster T16000M Ken Cikas 1.4K subscribers Subscribe 20K views 3 years ago Put about 170 hours into Elite Dangerous and this T16000M from Thrustmaster is about done so I. You can blame Microsoft Flight Simulator for the flight stick shortage were experiencing. Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. 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