Definitely not. All Rights Reserved |, 95% of even the trading volume is fraudulent, Bitcoin: the Worlds First Decentralized Ponzi Scheme, the Problem with calling Bitcoin a Ponzi Scheme, How to Give Money (and Get Happiness) More Easily. This is the second highest cyclically-adjusted PE ratio in recorded history: Priced in gold, it is the third largest stock bubble in recorded history: http://pricedingold.com/charts/SP500-1880.pdf. So, Bitcoin is a protocol invented to solve a money problem that simply does not exist in the rich countries, which is where most of the money is. Its closest to an MLM for me. Mr Money Mustache 26-02-2023 Hobbyen. In a practical sense, this . It is when stock prices stay the same in nominal terms but everything else rises in price around them, effectively masking the very real stock market crash through inflation. To keep things non-promotional, please use a real name or nickname(not Blogger @ My Blog Name). Bitcoin mania isnt different from the dot.com mania or any other mania going back to the tulip mania. MMM writes things like currency should not be artificially sparse and should expand. The ones who own the farms you mean? These days, stocks are regulated by the SEC, precisely because in the olden days, there were many, many stocks issued that were much likeBitcoin. (a Case Study), https://medium.com/p/81f5ffa42deb?source=linkShare-6c666494704c-1516693614, https://www.statista.com/statistics/326707/bitcoin-price-index/, https://globalnews.ca/news/3977745/ethereum-blockchain-canada-nrc/, https://prestonbyrne.com/2017/12/08/bitcoin_ponzi/, https://seekingalpha.com/article/4134745-bitcoins-path-1-million-bubble-bursting-anytime-soon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-zIbVEjVpQ, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeMv9uKpAZg, https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/btc?HashingPower=190&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=1293&CostPerkWh=0.12, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania, http://contrarianedge.com/2017/12/01/bitcoin-millennials-fake-gold/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States. Why would anyone do business with a medium of exchange that is accountable to nobody? This MMM article seems almost contradictory to what has become an investment philosophy that reciprocates with many people. Anyway, what would he dump it for? The only reason the dollar is working as money is because it started out with gold backing and then they gradually removed the backing. Of course there is speculation. When my daughter asked what you could do with brick dust, the kids looked at her like she was an idiot and said, Well, buy more brick dust, of course.. Ten years later and the price is still nowhere near that prior high, with it currently trading around $60. Bitcoin 2.0 is already here, people just dont know it yet. Then you are in at twice the actual price of Bitcoin. January 3, 2018, 7:12 am. This part of it is ideological to me: You Must Earn Your Money By Creating Value for Everyone. I was tempted by the neat aspect of being involved in this thing I knew would have some kind of future value blockchain. Do we really want a place where youre either an Amazonian or Walmartian? Places like Singapore, Estonia, Switzerland appear to already working on converting their systems to digital cash. The government has done some sickening things to ensure the wealthy and powerful stay wealthy and powerful. And if you havent been digging into the cryptocurrency world much, it gets way weirder than this. One book that I found very useful in understanding the greed-fear cycle (and Central Banking and the Federal Reserve system to boot) is the 2001 classic Towards Rational Exuberance by Mark Smith. Or streaming music, and streaming movies! Firstly, if Jihan is that rich, its probably because he doesnt spend his money. Read your history, it happens occasionally even in the great USA (a few times actually). No. Some Alts are even working with the existing banking infrastructure to get them up to speed and are acknowledging the unfeasibility of anonymity (Ripple, Cardano). Well start with the answer:No, you should not invest in Bitcoin. Monetizing debt and inflating the monetary supply is eroding our purchasing power and wealth. Hows that Nvidia stock doing now that GPU sales have been skyrocketing this last year giving them two record years in 2016 and 2017? 3. Think that would fly at the grocery store? (Serious question. 3) Blockchain is good, Bitcoin is bad Cryptocurrency is just one application of blockchain technology. Like every state currency, it derives its worth out of the fact that the state says you can *always* pay your taxes with it (and that shops have to accept it). Jay Holden The bubble crashed and the internet didnt die. Well, that is not what we are discussing are we? Doh! (Or computers or spaceships.) The real backing of the dollar is the force the U.S. government will use if its debts are called in. While I agree with your sentiment about Bitcoin I have been echoing similar warnings to friends and family since its mid-2017 breakout to $2k I think several other cryptos are definitely deserving of a portion, albeit small, of an investment portfolio. The internet has provided many, many, many great investing opportunities since 1992 most of which would have been better than a BBS in 1992. Im more inclined to trust contracts that cannot be broken. Do not let your own brain trick you for easy solutions! Look up ethereum and Eos and read deeply on how fundamental this decentralised future beholds. I know have around $20k in crpyto having invested around $3500. Woodser So, I use bitcoin to buy stuff with the gift cards from these people. Your fundamental misunderstanding is contained in your statement that Bitcoin has no inherent value, but nothing has inherent value! Joey Graziano Video compression tech. Vijay, I think you should sell every non-bitcoin asset you own, borrow as much money as you possibly can, and buy as many bitcoins as possible. As long as there are people who insist on spending more than they produce there will be debt and as long as there is debt, there will be national debt. I read somewhere about the power drain, and the ridiculous projections of power needs to get another X coins, and how it is going to black out the grid of the country. I had no idea the market capitalization of Bitcoin and the other crypto-currencies are so high. The question is if one is worth $15k? January 2, 2018, 7:05 pm. Personally, I disagree that speculating is inherently bad. If you dont have fiat money to buy the bitcoin then someone is going to have to start getting paid in btc. theirlong-term viability, you have completely missed the bigger picture. But the fantasy that the world will switch to Bitcoin so you'll need it to conduct commerce so you better get yours now is just totally implausible to me. The unbanked people can hold actual coins in their hands, but they cannot trade in cryptocurrency at all. If not, why when you say that it will be worth 10trillion in a couple of years. If you ever want to see what a real bubble looks like, please look at a long term chart of stocksor dollars for that matterpriced in gold. Bitcoins are all the same, they are not numbered, they dont rot and dont have a shelf life. Couldnt have said it any better myself. Yes, this is a function. I am Mr. Money Mustache, mild mannered retired-at-30 software engineer who later became accidental leader of Ironic Cult of Mustachianism. (which is more Mustachian..), Michelle, Mr Buffetts advice is clearly correct I mean, its Warren Buffett were talking about. I think your point about time wasted is very accurate. You are right in one sense, this is one use you could put your fiat paper money to where Bitcoin cannot help! I can see scenarios where some of these platforms develop staying power and become increasingly valuable for the actual work that they are needed to accomplish. Maybe a couple years from now when the mortgage is paid off and we have some play money/money we can afford to lose. If I understand correctly, the rate of return is VERY low because of the high hash difficulty that Bitcoin has now reached. I was hoping that when bitcoin futures became a real thing, Id be able to short it in a more normal way. Even in a police state like China their actions have failed! This is the same exact dynamic as tulip bulbs: Do tulip bulbs have a value? I wouldnt! January 14, 2018, 1:05 pm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_market. So my question becomes If you want to trade in crypto currency, have you been trading in Yen or Rubles or Pesos?. Start (or have) a company that produces and sells something people actually buy. January 2, 2018, 9:01 pm. also remember while the market cap is $230bn at least 20% of coins are lost from the early years. Mr. Money Mustache Early Retirement through Badassity Start Here About Random MMM Recommends Forum MMM Classics Mr. Money Mustache View: Fancy Magazine | Classic Blog Welcome New Readers! The people that buy into bitcoin will be hurting enough financially. They were literally carting around wheelbarrows full of the note because the hyperinflation the government produced killed the currency. More? as long as people in their consciousness believe it is a store of value it is. I agree with you, Chris. January 2, 2018, 9:45 pm. And whenever the price bubble pops, you also have a $2700 paperweight. Say I trade you a car for 1 bitcoin on Jan 8. Ah yes silly me :). it is as simple as that. First: cryptocurrencies have not demonstrated lack of manipulation. There is a very good chance that this article will be the butt of jokes 5 years down the road, when the toilet paper fiat currencies are all passe! The stock market over the long run will ALWAYS grow as long as the population and technology and our output as humans continues to grow. January 3, 2018, 5:30 pm. as well as all legal forms of private sales (ie. Michael Many more rants when the price of internet companies skyrocketed even though there was no evidence of current or future profits, and many more people claiming there was no ceiling because the internet revolutionizes how businesses operate and profits dont matter. In this video from Motley Fool Live, recorded on Feb. 23, Adeney joined. Thats a tricky question. Mostly: Its shiny and pretty and makes great jewelry and chicks dig it. There are sure going to be a lot of people gnashing their teeth and rending their garments when the bottom falls out of this market. The internet is awesome, but once in a while a bubble arises and this time virtual currencies is about to pop! Retweet. You sound like I poop-obsessed wing nut. Federal reserve banks and elected governments. As the money supply increases, purchasing power is concentrated with the money creators at the expense of others holding the currency. But not possible with Bitcoin transaction costs for BTC are up in the integer $ range and can take hours. I am of the opinion all of Fiat will get wiped out in a decade or two! And you dont want it for this purpose anyway after all, do you currentlyhide your money in offshore tax havens and transact your business on black markets? Bitcoin has its flaws and needs to improve as you mentioned: Bitcoin is the viral buzzword that has the momentum. Youre playing a psychological, win-lose battle against other humans with money as the only objective. If people are creating an bubble out of it, people is stupid, not bitcoin. This might be normal for an era such as this, where the growth is coming from real tech companies instead of widget makers. While I was in Kenya, the central bank had capped rates at 14%. Good thing I dont invest in it! Youre not going to get rich by collecting metals, but you might stay rich with them. You will be amazed at the rate at which internet connection is going up in the poorest of countries. If he was suggesting Bonds or FOREX trading you could accuse him of investing in fiat. how is this different than a crypto? But if you have some play money, it doesnt hurt to speculate if that is what you enjoy doing and dont mind losing everything you put in. Is it likely worth closer to $0 than to $20,000? Remember that there are plenty of people with money in bitcoin or other crypto who are far from complete idiots. Thats fairly over the top. WHY??? I doubt you really believe this is going to overthrow all of our current financial system. The worlds governments are not going to let everyone start trading money anonymously and evading taxes using Bitcoin. Holy Shit! is the only reasonable reaction. Even some cryptocurrencies that currently exist. Bitcoin and other Cryptos are attractive for that reason and that why people spread this misinformation about it to sway people from backing it. Or physical goods if you want to use it to record land or vehicle deeds, etc. For me, the answer is wealth rule #1 from MMM: You Dont Try to Gamble Your Way to Wealth, http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/09/20/wealth-advice-that-should-be-obvious/. ), bastringue This is the greatest use of human energy and capital the world has ever seen. Value is subjective; not all speculation is irresponsible; gold and other odd stores of value have novelty effects. That said, I did buy $300 of Bitcoin back in November (which is a tiny fraction of a percentage of our net worth) on the off chance it keeps escalating like crazy. And then follow that thread all the way back to the fact that the future blockchain(s) all of these future uses are built on are going to be continuations of the most valuable blockchains of today because valuable blockchains are a prerequisite for the data integrity required for high value use cases. Mr. Money Mustache talks about his divorce. All these ICOs are just insane. This results in a silent crash, and a loss in purchasing power for stock holderseven if the nominal price of stocks remains the same. Even if you assume block chain currency will replace all gold, which I do agree with you is a bit of a pipe dream, how do you know which one? Big ERN just recommended me to your blog and now I see that you beat me to the joke I just made. I dont think Bitcoin will be very snuggly. Shit. Many African countries have central banks. So I did learn a bit about locking and unlocking information, hacking, and ensuring that independent brains (whether they are two adjacent CPUs on a circuit board or two companies negotiating across the Pacific) can trust each other and coordinate their actions in lockstep. Probably. I am laughing my ass out. remittances, credit lending for undocumented people. Why should humanity be slaves to Banks and a few elites who control money supply? This is also wrong, Zimbabwe did not abolish taxation yet the worth of Zimbabwe dollar has vanished anyway. Think about how tomorrows generation will use far a more advanced blockchain tech to interact with far more advanced internet and general tech to create things that we cant even conceive of yet, let alone why they would have value. So owning gold is not insane at a reasonable price. The imaginary value of these valueless bits of computer data representsenough money to change the course of the entire human race, for example eliminating all poverty or replacing the entire worlds 800 gigawatts of coal power plants with solar generation. Just the same with crypto-currencies today. Bitcoin is a case study, and they have no idea (or choose not to believe) that theyre headed for the unfortunate future footnotes of that case. Remember 2008? Its odd he believes people require a government to establish a system of trust and cooperation. Transactions takes as long as for banks (and soon banks will do trasnfers in seconds too, the real life tests have already started) and cost MORE. Bitcoins can be traced, your fingernails cant. Im 100% with you when you say investing in bitcoin (and other cryptocurrencies) isnt smart. It can be entertaining, though, to sit there and watch people who just happen to have $7k in small bills on them feed it into the machine at 2 am. That is a fairly dumb sock puppet, since he never spoke about them. Yes, it is true that bonds are *also* in a bubble at the present timeand that the bond bubble is so big that it makes stocks look relatively cheap by comparison. This way you will be truly rich in 5 years. January 10, 2018, 11:01 am. I made 400% and pulled them out. MMM i normally love your articles but you knew this one would be polarizing Im sure. I understand this is an MMM forum but i mean come on.. you have to recognize that managed risk is a part of building wealth. It is 110% of your total and entire GDP, and that is just your Federal Debt. Some of them have no earnings at all. babysitting, lawn mowing, snow shoveling, etc..) So, how is Bitcoin replacing that? Mr. Money Mustache Ryan Thomas Finally, someone in here who understands economics and not just personal finance! bitcoin @ 7k, down close to 70%. I believe I may be allergic to mercury. Etrade is going to trade bitcoin futures. I dont know if stock prices will go down. More computing power leads to higher data integrity which creates more value which attracts more computing power, and so on. However, Bitcoin is one of the least performing major cryptocurrencies, so lets not talk about fucking Bitcoin all the time just because the price of one unit is in the thousands. Great post. Invest in anything wisely and safely. And of course, the purpose of this whole aside is that I want to establish credibility with you, so you will give this article some consideration. 3. farmecologist Do these 2 billion unbanned people 1) have internet access and 2) access to the initial bitcoin to get in on this internet money? They will have to learn the hard way. Blockchain may be the future, but that doesnt mean any of the current currencies will be worth anything. Its rising because people are buying it up, hoping someone else will buy it at an even higher price later. So, I PayPald you the $100 for your fingernail clippings before I got to the part about them going for $70,000. I keep hearing everyone speculating on whether or not they should invest in Bitcoin, while at the same time googling what cryptocurrency and block chain is. There you go. January 2, 2018, 6:23 pm. Do you think Governments and Regulators have sat on the sidelines so far while Bitcoin is just exploding to a point that MMM had to sit and write a huge article? You guys may enjoy this article about Peter Thiel: https://www.wsj.com/articles/peter-thiels-founders-fund-makes-big-bet-on-bitcoin-1514917433. Full faith and what? But this is not necessarily correct in every case. Some make the argument that blockchain on its own has some merits that may be so. This is exactly what I was thinking. Theyre not very good experts. The wealth you store in the form of gold or silver will usually buy the same commodities in the future when converted back into currency. Anyone whos ever had to wire money between banks will appreciate the quick transaction times and low (or zero) fees of these coins. but remember short positions have a possible infinite downside while buying the asset has a possible infinite up side, If you do this youre still speculating on a market that cant be understood right now. January 15, 2018, 9:20 am. However, in 2004 when Facebook was being launched it was looked at as a funny little friend site. The fees are incredible. I want to know will it make my day to day life easier? LennStar Why not one of the other 1500 cryptocurrencies? Or when I have to go to the grocery store to buy milk and theres the sign that says NO POWER, CASH ONLY and my toddler is crying for milk, Im going to pay them in cash. Mr. I argue that fiat currency is inefficient because its supply is always increasing. You are as usual missing the point and are behind trivia! I have these lovely tulip bulbs for sale, please PM me. Bitcoin is not a bubble, its the pin :), Not looking so good right now And likewise you can scratch off the idea of any government backed cryptos, because those are by definition centralized. Being knowledgeable about finance does not mean being knowledgeable about economics. The real winners of the gold rush were the ones who sold shovels. As a result, I have cashed out on their misfortune. No guarantees that if bitcoin drops that it will ever come back. But there are interesting aspects to the technology and what it could develop into. Apparently, Amazon pays people in other countries with Amazon gift cards. Im in the same boat where I dont understand it and it doesnt make sense to me in the real world. My issue is with the currencies themselves. Gox, Bitfinex, and the various wallets and exchanges that have been hacked). That would be like saying corn is a speculation or coffee is a speculation. Its clear from reading the comments that most people dont understand how this works. If cryptocurrencydoestake off, it will be in a government-backed form, like a new Fedcoin or G20coin. Full anonymity and government evasion will not be one of its features. I keep thinking of that movie where the actor says Explain it to me like Im a 2 year old.. ie beauty counter for nerds. Compared to bitcoin it uses only a fraction of energy. Is the theory that eventually there wont be anymore banks? That said, Im still not so sure. The dams generate electricity whether you need it or not. In a sense one could swap bitcoin to USD and the article still stands. One way or another, at some point, the cycle will end, and the cycle will start again. Now, lets see who is smiling? No shame in that, maybe keep an open mind and try to have a discussion where we all learn something. It isnt enough to live off of, but its definitely nice to have a net $500 or so in my pocket at the end of each month. 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